I don't think I've heard Hillary speak about race. But Obama has sure done that sort of baiting! I believe his true agenda was to try to provoke rebellion by the right, as an excuse to send the National Guard out and confiscate all guns.

she's a puppet of the Clinton gang;;; it's not her fault.
the Ds are putting on a charade about Bernie. -- j
.

I am not a Clinton guy; however, was Clinton a sexual predator? Did he require favors, or allow those to seek favors? I find Republicans arguing against gay marriage with fire and brimstone while tapping their feet in men's room stalls far worse hypocrites.

This cutism speaks nothing of Hillary, who is the worst candidate of them all.

You'll have to remain disturbed, because I can assure you there are. in the case of some down east dems, their identity is tied to their party affiliation as if it were religion.

I wonder if it were shown that the 'establishment" way of doing things is very inefficient, expensive, or just doesnt work (which is the case for basically 100% of the business things the federal governemnt does) that it would have an effect on their thinking. Its very disturbing for our freedom to think there are sheep out there who can vote, but who wont even think about things.

Perhaps in some cases. But I've known some of these folks since childhood and I'm sure that it's neither money nor power. To some degree it is tradition. Sort of this is the way we've always voted. Or, the Republicans are for the rich, and other bromides. It is as if they simply drop their power of reason and do it because "everyone else" does it.

Maybe they feel Hillary will maintain the status quo in terms of entitlements and advantages for them, but at the expense of other people. They must be on the receiving end of the deal somehow. Its all about money and power.

the criminals whom we vote into office are the best
whom we can buy -- the very best! -- j
.

Term2:
I have a number of east coast friends and relatives. They are, for the most part, accomplished intelligent people. No captains of industry, but nurses, teachers, small business people. They are the ones I'm talking about who are steadfast in her support. They are mostly 3rd and 4th generation Democrats. In discussions other than politics, I find them to be quite rational, but in politics they come up with the most asinine responses and when they do, put them forth like a triumphant reply. It's like discussing something with a reasonable person who suddenly turns into Clem Kadiddlehopper.

Its like Coke and Pepsi. Two marketing organizations selling essentially the same thing with different names

If it werent for cronyism, we wouldnt need the parties. Elections would just be to simply picked the best administrators to run programs that served the consitution.

I think you are right as to what happens. Of course, they say its an election

But what we have now is a system ruled by two corrupt businesses (the two parties), with the rest of us being held hostage to their decisions.

The real problem is that the president and congress should be stripped of their powers to take from one and give to another through cronyism, and their powers to violate our other rights.

Once those powers are removed, election of a president would be simply the election of an administrator.

I wouldn't vote. The only advantage sanders has over Clinton is that he's closer to the grave.

I DO NOT wan't full democracy when it comes to voting. That is, unless serious restrictions are placed on who may and may not vote. Mob rules is what is and has been growing in this country - its ugly, its violent, and its corrosive to the Constitution. As opposed to mob rule, I'm relieved that there is a delegate process - mob (moocher) consensus will lead all of us off a cliff.