Except while grazing, they are usually getting fleeced.

Now that is TRUTH.

Oh no, I regulalry write off 25K a year as we have a farm to raise horses, and do try to sell them, but the surge in diesel costs in the last 8 years or so killed the horse market, so we "always" end up negative. So, you start a business, with everyintent of making money, and you just don't quite make it all, and lose some, and there you are. Essentially what Trump did. There are 300 thousand loopholes, definitions, and rules, many conflict with each other, just like any government program. I got audited a few years ago for stock trades I did not document correctly (along with 50% of the people I work with) and had to redo 3 years of stuff, and actually got money back by doing it the way the "government" required. OK by me.

The monster will eat regardless. When it runs out of tax money it will up its "borrowing".

In defence, I do remember it was Felony Pelosi who told them they would stay there until hell froze, or they passed it, right before Christmas. Agreed, they could have grabbed their little peanuts and stood up to the queen, and told her to pack sand, and over ruled her by 2/3, but the kiddies couldn't get to agree to that, as she had threats out to any Dem who voted to adjourn.

Oh, she will do things. But, you won't like any of them. We'll have a Supreme Court full of Ginsbergs. Expanded Obamacare. Higher taxes spent on evaporating projects. I can't go on. Dozens more.

And there is a lot to support it, and the idea he was after something. What was so important that we had to endure a 10 year period of war, then drop the whole thing like a hot potato when it wasn't there? I can't buy it was just "nation building" or even "anti-Russia". Too much for too little.

This still goes back to my "Shadow Government" theory. It seems all this crap is a cover for the real string pullers to continue to pull. Remember the "Star Chamber" anyone?

Uh, yep, that is Politico Americana today. The herd just grazes for three years and then spends one getting entertained by the drama of the race, then goes back to grazing, never knowing what is really going on, and wondering why it is all going to sh#t.

I say that her supporters are equally crooked and evil- just wanting goodies that they "think" she will get for them. Once the election is over, she will wave goodbye for 4 years and do nothing except to the REALLY big donors who will get millions of OUR money. That seems to be the way it works

Not to mention hammering blackberries and destroying 11 laptop computers. We have a blatant, obvious, criminal, paying for cover-ups and everyone knows it, yet they all turn a blind eye to it. Dems find nothing suspicious in that. It is so stunningly illegal that the possibility - even the probability that she might become President completely blows my mind. I'm going to wrap my head in duct tape to keep it from exploding.

How can we actually want someone as crooked as Hillary as president. We had to threaten to impeach Nixon to get him out, and he only lied and covered up- didnt actually DO any breaking and entering.

Hillary set up the clinton foundation and speaking fee system to benefit her and sell government access to the donors. Not to mention that she was sloppy with her email server designed to hide what she was doing plus her lackadaisical attitude toward benghazi security. God knows what she would do as president, and how she would cover it up

The current cry of "Anyone but Hillary" has much merit.

I agree. Congress went along with Obamacare back in the day. Maybe, just maybe, they will disband Obamacare this time around

I see no other option - and I`m not happy about it. As we have seen with Obama, congress is the problem, they must be compelled to do as the law requires.

yeah, we had Bush claiming "weapons of mass destruction" existed in Iraq. Amazing that not one was found. I say there is NO way a president could just not have known. It was a LIE, period, for a purpose.

hard to do that unless you are already rich and into making money that uses those loopholes however.

She had her marching orders from the Obamanation, and the Dumbocrap elite. Now, to be fair, remember, this could have been a Republicrat president doing the same thing with his AG, it is not isolated to one party, which is the real problem we have. Massive corruption across all boundaries...

Even better, use the tax system, it only has 300 thousand loopholes you can legally use to avoid the monster...

Thats why I am voting for Trump this election.

Obama is a socialist, power hungry muslim. He can say what he wants, but his actions tell the truth

vote for Trump, or Hillary is going to increase their power even more. Her contributors have already "paid", now she would have to "play" at OUR expense.

If Hillary wins, I will just ignore her as president, and hope the country can survive her term. In the meantime, I will go into survival mode including getting out of the US dollar, ceasing business activities, cutting personal expenses just as far as I can, downsizing housing. Why feed the monster with tax money?

The clintons are evil people and should be deported at a minimum for what they did. Allowing Hillary to be elected is a travesty which should be fought. That means voting for Trump this time. At least HE wont do the cronyism that Hillary has already proven is her business model.

Loretta L could have turned it around by just not meeting with Bill Clinton. Tossing him off the plane if he boarded by himself, and publicly announcing what was done.

BUT, she is a political hack who just wants her job at our expense. She should be fired at this point for this attitude, as she will be as Trump becomes president.